PROGRAM


Continuing Legal Education

CLE credit applications for the National Conference and Ethics Workshop will be submitted to all requested states. Typically, the entire conference is approved for 12-16 credits, depending on the jurisdiction. The conference is regularly approved for CLE credit, with applications submitted for all requested states. The Society partners with CEU Institute to manage the CLE process. Additionally, CCGP credit will be offered, and the program may qualify for CPA or paralegal credit.

To receive credit, attendance at all conference sessions must be recorded on-site. Attendees will be notified of their credit details once the program is approved. Please contact CEU Institute at rosters@ceuinstitute.net or 800-556-3559 with any questions.

Platinum Sponsor

Broadridge

 WEDNESDAY, JULY 9, 2025

Afternoon

12:30 pm – 2:00 pm

Corporate Practices & Securities Law Committee Joint Meeting*
*Open to committee members only.

2:30 pm – 3:30 pm

Managing Professional Transitions in Governance

While governance can be a corporate “superpower,” it can also be challenging to change jobs within a company, between in-house and outside counsel. This session, held under the Chatham House Rule, will feature stories of those who made those transitions successfully.

Speakers

Keir Gumbs (Moderator), General Counsel, Edward Jones
Aaron Briggs, Partner, Gibson Dunn
Jeff DeBruin, Director, Assistant General Counsel - Corporate & Securities, 3M

3:45 pm – 4:45 pm

Navigating the “Rinse and Repeat” of the Governance and Disclosure Cycles

While jobs in the governance field can offer some predictability, the cycle of meetings and disclosure can also wear down you – and your team – with only crises to break the pattern. This session will provide an opportunity to share, under the Chatham House Rule, strategies for keeping your job fresh and finding new meaning in the work that you do.

Speakers

Stacy Ingram (Moderator), SVP, General Counsel & Corporate Secretary, Floor & Decor
Doug Chia, President, Soundboard Governance
Rabia de Lande Long, Executive Coach  
Alana Griffin, Vice President, Securities & Corporate Law and Assistant Secretary, FedEx Corporation
Lucy Jensen, Assistant General Counsel, Vail Resorts

Evening

5:15 pm – 6:00 pm

New Member & First Time Attendee Reception

6:00 pm – 7:00 pm 

Welcome Reception in the Exhibit Hall

 THURSDAY, JULY 10, 2025

Morning

8:25 am – 8:35 am

Opening Remarks
 
Keir Gumbs (Outgoing Society Chair), General Counsel, Edward Jones
Leah Huddleston (National Conference Chair), Chief Legal Officer & Corporate Secretary, CBIZ, Inc.

8:35 am – 9:25 am

Navigating the Global & US Economic Environment
 
This session will address the economic trends shaping our business environment, and how companies can best navigate – and potentially shape – the outcomes.
 
Speakers
 
Shelley Dropkin (Moderator), Deputy Corporate Secretary & General Counsel, Corporate Governance, Citigroup, Inc.
Nerissa Naidu, Chair of Private Board, CreditXpert Inc.
Michael Normyle, U.S. Economist,  NASDAQ 
Hope Taitz, Public Board Director, Athene RE, CEO, ELY Capital
Nabeel Yousef, Partner, Freshfields

9:30 am – 10:15 am

SEC Rulemaking and Enforcement

A perennial favorite, this panel of leading SEC practitioners will address the current and expected rulemaking, enforcement, and other trends at the SEC, offering practical tips for how companies can navigate the new regulatory environment.

Speakers

Stephanie Bignon (Moderator), Associate General Counsel & Deputy Corporate Secretary, The Home Depot, Inc. 
Brian V. Breheny, Partner, Skadden Arps
Ning Chiu, Partner, Davis Polk & Wardwell
Lori Zyskowski, Partner, Gibson Dunn 

This session is sponsored by Deloitte.

10:50 am – 11:35 am

AI and Beyond: Where Are the Technological Opportunities and Risks Over the Next Five Years? 

From advanced robotics to Generative AI, hydrogen batteries to quantum computing, biotechnology to virtual reality, what are the technological trends that have the potential to transform our economy and society?  What governance do you need to emerge as a winner? 
 
Speakers
 
Katherine Kelly (Moderator), Vice President, Corporate Secretary, Meta Platforms
Christine Battist, Public Board Director, Audit Chair, Capital Southwest, and Bolt
Samantha Kappagoda, Public Board Director, Credit Suisse Funds, Chief Data Scientist, Numerati® Partners
 
This session is sponsored by Broadridge.

11:45 am – 12:35 pm

Concurrent Sessions

 

Practical Side of AI: From Due Diligence to Protecting Privilege
 
This session will address the key legal and practical questions counsel face in implementing Generative AI in the workplace, including in the governance function itself.
 
Speakers
 
Kara Tatman (Moderator), CVP, Assistant General Counsel, Ampere Computing
Joseph Lo, VP, Head of Enterprise Platforms, Broadridge
Meredith Williams-Range, Chief Legal Operations Officer, Gibson Dunn

 

Emerging Practices in Proxy Reporting

This session will address the latest developments in rules, guidance, investor expectations, and practices in preparing the company’s proxy statement – including lessons learned from the most recent proxy season.

Speakers

Vikas Arora (Moderator), VP, Associate General Counsel & Corporate Secretary, Avery Dennison
Kristina Fink, SVP, Chief Governance Officer, Corporate Secretary and Asst. General Counsel, CVS Health
Maia Gez, Partner, White & Case
Christopher Hayden, Chief Operating Officer, Georgeson LLC

This session is sponsored by DFIN.

 

Evolving International Sustainability Regulation

This session will address the latest – and sometimes surprising – trends in international sustainability disclosure and compliance regulation – and how they are likely to affect companies with global and purely domestic operations.

Speakers

Gracie Campbell (Moderator), Deputy General Counsel – Corporate, Mohawk Industries, Inc.
Seth E. Engel, Of Counsel, Jones Day
Betty Huber, Partner, Latham & Watkins
Nicolai Lundy, Chief of Engagement, IFRS Foundation

 

Emerging Practices in Cybersecurity Governance & Reporting

This session will address the evolving threat landscape and recent developments in how companies are governing and managing their cybersecurity programs, as well as complying with regulatory reporting requirements.

Speakers

Rick E. Hansen (Moderator), SVP, Deputy General Counsel - Corporate, and Corporate Secretary, HP Inc.
Michael Heistein, Senior Vice President Legal - Corporate, Securities, Governance, Compliance & Privacy, Wyndham Hotels
Michael Pressman, Assistant General Counsel, Microsoft
Erez Liebermann, Partner, Debevoise & Plimpton
Orlan Streams, Cyber Threat Intelligence Analyst, Sempra Infrastructure

Afternoon

12:45 pm – 2:15 pm

Keynote Luncheon Address with Carla Harris
Public Company and Philanthropic Board Director, Senior Client Advisor, Morgan Stanley, Author

2:25 pm – 3:15 pm

Building a Great Board

This session will address how a company moves beyond a check-the-box approach in board recruitment to building a truly effective board that adds strategic value and is a competitive advantage for the company.

Speakers

Leah Huddleston (Moderator), Chief Legal Officer & Corporate Secretary, CBIZ, Inc.
Joan Amble, Public Board Director, Booz Allen, Zurich Insurance Group, Spire Global
George Anderson, Partner, Spencer Stuart
Shannon Nash, Public Board Director, NETSCOUT, Former Chief Financial Officer, Wing

This session is sponsored by Spencer Stuart.

    3:20 pm - 4:05 pm

    Successfully Managing Through a Crisis

    Companies can face multiple, unexpected events that can throw them off track. This session will discuss how to prepare for, manage a crisis, and emerge on the other side with lessons learned.

    Speakers

    Eileen McCarthy (Moderator), General Counsel and Corporate Secretary, JetBlue Airways Corporation
    Anne Chapman, Managing Director, Joele Frank
    Alyse Sagalchik, Partner, Katten
    Andrew Wright, Senior VP, Assistant General Counsel & Corporate Secretary, Marriott

    This session is sponsored by Katten.

      4:35 pm – 5:25 pm

      Concurrent Sessions

       

      Keeping Your People and Company Safe: The Governance of Security 

      Natural disasters, international conflicts, domestic protests and workplace violence can threaten the safety of your company’s directors, executives, other employees, among others. This session will explore role of the board – and of governance professionals – in keeping the workforce and workplace secure.

      Speakers

      Kate Haynes (Moderator), Vice President, Corporate Secretary and Chief Ethics Officer, H&R Block
      Brad Goldberg
      , Partner, Cooley

      Jason Leiker, Associate Vice President – Corporate Responsibility, AT&T 
      Linea Michael, AVP, Corporate Governance & Assistant Corporate Secretary, Horace Mann

       

      How To Avoid, Prepare For, and Survive A Proxy Contest 

      This session will address how investors decide which companies to target for significant change in the board, strategy, or structure; how to avoid becoming a target; how to successfully manage a proxy contest; and what to do if the activists prevail.

      Speakers

      Kristina Fink (Moderator), SVP, Chief Governance Officer, Corporate Secretary, CVSHealth
      Matt Brusch, President and CEO, NIRI
      Art Crozier, Executive Chair, Innisfree M&A Incorporated
      William Regner, Partner, Debevoise & Plimpton
      Phoebe Wood, CEO & Co-Founder, KirtleyWood and Principal, Companies Wood

      This session is sponsored by Broadridge.

       

      CEO Succession & Onboarding 

      Whether you’re promoting from within, or recruiting from the outside, or responding to an emergency vacancy, CEO onboarding is one of the most pivotal moments in a company’s trajectory. This session will explore how onboarding is key to the success of the CEO – and of the company. 

      Speakers

      LaTisha Owens Tarrant (Moderator), General Counsel, Corporate Secretary & Chief Human Resources Officer, PRA Group, Inc.
      Christine Battist, Public Board Director, Audit Chair, Capital Southwest, and Bolt
      Richard Fields, Head of the Board Effectiveness Practice, Russell Reynolds Associates
      Brandon Smith, VP, Chief Corporate, Securities & Finance Counsel, GE Aerospace

       

      Taking a Fresh Look at Executive Compensation 

      Companies have built complicated executive compensation programs with multiple metrics and timeframes. This session will address whether and how to improve the effectiveness of your compensation program.

      Speakers

      Jacob Jenkelowitz (Moderator), Corporate Secretary, Brighthouse Financial
      Lyuba Goltser, Partner, Weil, Gotshal & Manges
      Blair Jones, Managing Principal, Semler Brossy Consulting Group, LLC
      Shannon Nash, Public Board Director, NETSCOUT, Former Chief Financial Officer, Wing
      John Wieck, Chief Operating Officer, Glass Lewis & Co.

       FRIDAY, JULY 11, 2025

      Morning

      8:15 am – 8:30 am

      Opening Remarks
      Leah Huddleston
      (National Conference Chair), Chief Legal Officer & Corporate Secretary, CBIZ, Inc.

      8:30 am – 9:30 am

      Keynote Fireside Chat with Mark T. Uyeda
      Commissioner & Former Acting Chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission
      Hope Mehlman (Moderator), Chief Legal & Corporate Affairs Officer, Ally Financial

      9:40 am – 10:30 am

      Navigating the Political Environment

      In an era of polarization and populism in the US, and an altered international geopolitical environment, this session will address how boards and companies can identify and manage risks, capitalize on opportunities, achieve their policy goals, and position themselves effectively with stakeholders.

      Speakers

      Keir Gumbs (Moderator), Chief Legal Officer, Edward Jones
      Kevin Finnerty, Senior Director and Head of State Government Affairs, Ally Financial Inc.
      J.T. Ho, Partner, Cleary Gottlieb Steen & Hamilton LLP
      Nerissa Naidu, Chair of Private Board, CreditXpert Inc.
      Tom Johnson, Chief Executive Officer, H/Advisors Abernathy

      11:00 am – 11:50 am

      Concurrent Sessions

      What Recent Federal and State Judicial Decisions Mean for Companies 

      This session will address the key US Supreme Court decisions affecting business and the regulatory environment in its just-concluded term, major federal appellate decisions, and the most significant Delaware Court rulings in the past year – and what’s on the federal and state dockets ahead.

      Speakers

      Krista Jones McAninley (Moderator), VP & Deputy General Counsel - Corporate, Ferguson
      Trent Bavaro, Director, CSC Global
      Awaku Akowuah, Partner, Sidley Austin LLP
      Jim Honaker, Partner, Morris Nichols Arsht & Tunnell LLP

       

      Emerging Practices in Managing Shareholder Proposals

      This session will address the latest trends in shareholder proposals from the recent proxy season, including the topics raised, negotiations with proponents, no-action requests, vote results, and strategies for communicating your views effectively.

      Speakers

      Jeff DeBruin (Moderator), Assistant General Counsel – Corporate and Securities, 3M
      Jason Day, Co-Chair of Corporate Practice, Perkins Coie LLP
      Annabelle Pereira, Sr. Director, Managing Counsel – Corporate, Securities & Governance, McDonalds
      Blair Petrillo, Executive Compensation and Governance Counsel, Ford Motor Company
      Catherine Winner, Managing Director, Global Head of Stewardship, Goldman Sachs Asset Management

      This session is sponsored by Skadden.

       

      Emerging Practices in Sustainability Governance & Reporting

      In a world of conflicting ESG crosscurrents, this session will address how companies are governing, and reporting on, sustainability.

      Speakers

      David Flechner (Moderator), Vice President, Compliance & Corporate Secretary, NextEra
      Seth E. Engel, Of Counsel, Jones Day
      Kelly Nishikawa, Sustainability Counsel, Travelers
      Greg Reppucci, Senior Director, Corporate Governance & Sustainability, Sodali & Co
      Christine Shaw, Head of Sustainability Policy & Reporting, Franklin Templeton

       

      Emerging Practices in Annual Meetings

      This session will address key trends in voting at annual meetings such as the rise of client-directed and cross-border voting; how to reach retail and institutional investors; and the practicalities such as meeting format, agendas, rehearsals, briefings, event security, and rules of conduct.

      Speakers

      Kevin M. Coleman (Moderator), Director, Assistant General Counsel and Assistant Secretary, Discover
      Era Anagnosti
      , Partner, DLA Piper
      Gale Chang
      , Associate General Counsel, Bank of America
      Ryan Wade
      , GM Corporate Issuer Solutions, Broadridge

      This session is sponsored by Broadridge.

      Afternoon

      12:00 pm – 1:25 pm

      Keynote Luncheon Address with Mark Whitaker
      Journalist and Author

      The luncheon is sponsored by DLA Piper.

      1:35 pm – 2:25 pm

      What Do Investors Really Want?

      Hear directly from leading institutional investors about what they are actually looking for in terms of company performance, governance, E&S issues, executive compensation, disclosure and shareholder engagement.

      Speakers

      Stacy Ingram (Moderator), SVP, General Counsel & Corporate Secretary, Floor & Decor
      Glenn Booraem, Principal & Head of Investment Stewardship Research and Policy, Vanguard Group
      Ryan Bunch, Analyst, Trian Partners
      Caitlin McSherry, Head of Investment Stewardship, Neuberger Berman
      Yumi Narita, Executive Director of Corporate Governance, New York City Comptroller

      This session is sponsored by BetaNXT.

      2:30 pm – 3:20 pm

      What Do Directors Really Want from Management – and their Fellow Directors – Today?

      Directors are expected to make decisions, provide oversight, offer advice, and engage with stakeholders on wide array of issues in a fast-moving environment – all while keeping a focus on long-term value.  This session will explore what directors need from management – and their board colleagues – to do their job.

      Speakers

      Hope Mehlman (Moderator), Chief Legal & Corporate Affairs Officer, Ally Financial
      Paul Washington, President & CEO, Society for Corporate Governance
      Mayree C. Clark, Public Board Director, Deutsche Bank AG, Ally Financial
      Paul DeNicola, Principal, Governance Insights Center, PwC
      Becky Pratt, Private Board Director, Wheatsfield Co-op, Prairie Fire Wealth Planning

      3:50 pm – 4:50 pm

      Concurrent Sessions

      Investor Forum I

      These highly popular sessions provide in-house governance professionals with the opportunity to meet, in an informal setting in small groups, with several institutional investors.

      Investors

      Glenn Booraem, Principal & Head of Investment Stewardship Research and Policy, Vanguard Group
      Caitlin McSherry, Head of Investment Stewardship, Neuberger Berman
      Yumi Narita, Executive Director of Corporate Governance, New York City Comptroller
      Tyler McCullough, Senior Analyst, Sustainability & Stewardship, Parnassus Investments
      Peter Reali, Head of Stewardship & ESG Integration, Nuveen
      Christine Shaw, Head of Sustainability Policy & Reporting, Franklin Templeton
      Rekha Vaitla, Investment Officer - Sustainable Investment and Stewardship Strategies, CalSTRS
      Catherine Winner, Managing Director, Global Head of Stewardship, Goldman Sachs Asset Management

      The Investor Forum is sponsored by Kirkland & Ellis.

      Private Company Roundtable

      This session, held under the Chatham House Rule, provides an opportunity for private company members to discuss their current challenges and share practical advice on how they are addressing their priorities. It will also serve as the quarterly meeting for the Private Companies Community and will be accessible virtually. 

      Lead Speakers

      Scott Thayer (moderator), Chief Legal Officer & Corporate Secretary, Dawn Foods
      Megan Cohen, General Counsel & Corporate Secretary, The Options Clearing Corporation 

      Nonprofit Roundtable

      This session, held under the Chatham House Rule, provides an opportunity for nonprofit members to discuss their current challenges and share practical advice on how they are addressing their priorities.

      Lead Speakers

      Monica Barber (Moderator), General Counsel, Americares
      Carolyn Coffey, Commercial Director, CSC
      Kaitlin Descovich, Partner, Weil, Gotshal & Manges LLP

      Keys to Successful Briefing Materials & Presentations

      With many directors looking for more concise, strategically focused board materials, this session will address the current state of board briefing materials and suggestions for making them more effective -- the drawing upon findings from Society surveys, interviews, and roundtables.

      Speakers

      James Cotton (Moderator), Managing Counsel and Assistant Corporate Secretary, United Airlines 
      Lydia I. Beebe, Principal, LIBB Advisors LLC
      Aaron Briggs, Partner, Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher 
      Maureen Bujno, Managing Director, Center For Board Effectiveness, Deloitte 

      This session is sponsored by Deloitte.

      5:00 pm – 6:00 pm

      Concurrent Sessions

       

      Investor Forum II 

      These highly popular sessions provide in-house governance professionals with the opportunity to meet, in an informal setting in small groups, with several institutional investors. 

       

      Roundtable for Small- & Mid-Cap Companies 

      This session will focus on practical advice for managing governance, compliance, and disclosure at small- and mid-cap firms.

      Lead Speakers

      Shawn Filippi
      (Moderator), Vice President, Chief Compliance Officer and Corporate Secretary, NW Natural Gas Company
      Sean Donahue
      , Corporate Partner, Paul Hastings

       

      Nonlawyer Roundtable

      This session, held under the Chatham House Rule, provides an opportunity for nonlawyers to discuss their current challenges and share practical advice on how they are addressing their priorities.

      Lead Speakers

      Sheena M Bailey (moderator), Sr. Legal Specialist, Whirlpool Corporation
      Linea Michael, AVP, Corporate Governance & Assistant Corporate Secretary, Horace Mann
      Tana Murphy, Senior Paralegal, Securities & Governance; Becton Dickinson

       

      Emerging Practices in Addressing Insider Trading 

      This session will discuss the latest legal developments governing insider trading, policies and practices that companies are adopting, and the impact of EDGAR Next.

      Speakers

      Bill Horton (Moderator), Senior VP, Deputy General Counsel and Corporate Secretary, Verizon
      Peter Kraus
      , Senior Director, Assistant General Counsel - Securities and Corporate, PayPal
      Monica Norzagaray, Senior Counsel - Securities, Finance & Sustainability, Arthur J. Gallagher & Co
      Christina Thomas, Partner, Kirkland & Ellis

      Evening

      7:00 pm – 10:00 pm

      Poolside Reception and Buffet Dinner

       SATURDAY, JULY 12, 2025

      Morning

      8:10 am – 8:15 am

      Opening Remarks
      Stacy Ingram
      (Incoming Society Chair), SVP, General Counsel & Corporate Secretary, Floor & Decor

      8:15 am – 9:15 am

      Ethics for Governance Professionals

      This session will focus on current ethics issues facing governance professionals from both legal and practical perspectives.

      Speaker

      Nancy Cohen, Member, Cohen|Black Law 

      9:20 am – 10:10 am

      Board Oversight of Human Capital Management in Today’s Environment

      Many boards are playing a larger role in the overseeing workforce, at a time of significant changes in the legal, economic, and demographic landscapes – and in the nature of work itself. This session will address how the board can add value in a much more challenging environment – and the information, capabilities and resources it needs to fulfil its roles.

      Speakers

      Margaret M. Foran (Moderator), Chief Governance Officer, SVP & Corporate Secretary, Prudential, Public Board Director, Public Board Director
      Mario Carrera, Private Board Director, Intermountain Health
      Sarah Fortt, Deputy General Counsel and Corporate Secretary, Ford Motor Company
      Rabia de Lande Long, Executive Coach
      Elizabeth Walsh, Partner, Mayer Brown

      This session is sponsored by Mayer Brown.

      10:20 am – 11:10 am

      Concurrent Sessions

       

      Taking a Fresh Look at Committee Structures

      With 75% of the S&P 500 having more than three board committees, and with boards and committees taking on more responsibilities, this session will take a deeper look at how to assess whether your committee structure is truly adding value in executing the company’s strategy.

      Speakers

      Iké Adeyemi (Moderator), Senior Vice President, Chief Legal Officer and Corporate Secretary, Eastman
      Kimberly Drexler, Partner, Cravath
      Rick Hansen, SVP, Deputy General Counsel - Corporate, and Corp Secretary, HP
      Susan Keating, CEO, Board Risk Committee
      Becky Pratt, Private Board Director, Wheatsfield Co-op, Prairie Fire Wealth Planning

      Emerging Practices in Disclosure Committees

      While many public and private companies have disclosure committees, practices vary widely. This session will take a fresh look at disclosure committees, including the scope of their responsibilities, composition, relationships with other key functions, and processes.

      Speakers

      Sarah Fortt (Moderator), Deputy General Counsel and Corporate Secretary, Ford Motor Company
      Michael Brown, Vice President, Assistant General Counsel and Corporate Secretary, New York Times 
      Erik Gerding, Capital Markets Partner, Freshfields US LLP
      Amisha Kotte, Vice President, Securities & Corporate Governance Counsel, Inspire Brands

      11:15 am – 12:05 pm

      Concurrent Sessions

       

      Navigating the State Regulatory Environment

      Even as Delaware law is evolving, other states are competing for incorporation. At the same time, states are pursuing both pro- and anti-ESG disclosure policies. This session will provide an overview of key developments and offer practical solutions for managing – and shaping – the often-conflicting state regulations.

      Speakers

      Asa Behnia, (Moderator), AVP, Senior Assistant General Counsel and Assistant Secretary at Primerica
      Catherine Dearlove, Director, Richards Layton & Finger
      Jane Hu, Special Counsel, Sullivan & Cromwell LLP
      Charuni Patibanda-Sanchez, Secretary of State of Delaware
      Brian Schlect, Deputy General Counsel & Assistant Corporate Secretary, PotlatchDeltic Corporation

       

      Getting Governance Right from the Outset

      What provisions should companies have in place at the time of the IPO, or thereafter, to ensure effective board decision-making, oversight, and accountability.

      Speakers

      Matt DiGuiseppe, Managing Director, PwC 
      Erik Gerding, Capital Markets Partner, Freshfields US LLP
      Bob McCormick, Executive Director, Council of Institutional Investors (CII)
      Troy Paredes, Former SEC Commissioner and Founder, Paredes Strategies
      Phoebe Wood, CEO & Co-Founder, KirtleyWood and Principal, CompaniesWood

       

      Afternoon

      12:10 pm – 1:00 pm

      The Future of the Corporate Governance Function: Efficiency, Effectiveness and Adaptability

      The corporate governance function today has a high level of professionalism, expertise, and importance.  This session will discuss both the pressures – and strategies – to become even more efficient and effective, including exclusive findings from recent Society surveys and roundtables.

      Speakers

      Mary Francis(Moderator), Corporate Secretary and Chief Governance Officer, Chevron
      Monica Barber, General Counsel, Americares 
      Tracey Brady, VP of Corporate Services, Diligent
      Shawn Filippi, Vice President, Chief Compliance Officer and Corporate Secretary, NW Natural Gas Company
      Scott Tyayer, Chief Legal Officer and Corporate Secretary, Dawn Food

      This session is sponsored by Diligent.

      1:10 pm – 2:15 pm

      Closing Keynote Luncheon Address

      This luncheon is sponsored by Debevoise & Plimpton.